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Friday, August 25, 2006

Digital Radio continued...

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Well, Gildy has finally purchased a digital radio. My last blog entry on this is done as much as anything to help anyone out there in the UK or if similar changes are happening elsewhere to make the right choice.

For some reason where my house located even though nothing visibly appears to block the signals of television and radio I have always required an external aerial for television and at least an aerial in the loft otherwise stereo FM radio is impossible. So for years now I have listened to much of anything I want in high quality sound via Sky's satellite platform.

So I entered digital radio from a previous experience of using a gadget that was hailed as a great item from Psion called a wave finder which you connected directly to a computer. But the signal was poor and it really required an external aerial and then I think I am correct in saying that the product was discontinued(please correct me if I am wrong)and once the newer Windows operating system came out, it could not be used with XP.

Another item destined for the bin(thank heavens I managed to get it at half price)but I think it was still something like £25-£30.

So I had every intention to purchase a reasonably good DAB radio on the net(I heard that the more you spend it really does make a difference)but as LBC is starting on September 1st I looked in a national retail outlet and came out with one manufactured by one of the best known companies for quality and reputation, I thought it looked quite stylish. I got it home and within 2 minutes didn't like it. The sound had too much base and no way of taking the effect off. It cost £70.

Now how do you know whether you like something if you cannot hear it? Yet though you can return items to the shop for refund or exchange...you must not use them! Using them to me is if you have them for ages and when you return them they are damaged. I had it in my possession for 60 minutes(only because I did some shopping elsewhere)and in the home for perhaps 8 minutes.

No way was I keeping it. Back to the shop and I took instead a radio approx £30 cheaper as you can see by the picture. Well, generally I cannot lie that FM is any better but most of the stations available on FM around here are on the same set using DAB. But it does offer FM/DAB. I have only lost BBC Radio Newcastle, Metro Radio and BBC Radio York which is a pity but as long as FM is not turned off for many years they should still be heard.

The sound is nicer on this Bush set, and in my bedroom at least I have found a spot where it offers me pretty well a full strength signal on every Digital station or the error is so slight it does not spoil the sound. And I do not have to keep moving it around for optimum sound. This radio also offers better connections than the previous more expensive model too and enables me to play it through the computer system so I can listen and record to hard drive. And that improves the sound too though even its own speakers are loud enough and in high enough quality.

Satellite radio's disadvantage probably is that you need a TV on to see what station you are listening to(and if you keep it on screen too long chances are the writing may burn into the screen)and that you are tied to the room that the TV is in unless you have it plugged into a hi-fi system or have some way of piping it around the home, that way you can change stations and leave the television picture switched off. An advantage of satellite delivered radio is good quality stereo sound on all stations and often all of them are on 24/7.

The latest list of satellite radio on Sky is around 100 stations.

Now on my digital set I can hear 39 stations of which all but 5 are on the satellite system so I have gained 5.

Further investigation has shown that the local stations offer the highest quality whether BBC or commercial, there are four companies supplying the transmitting technology(EMAP, MXR, Digital1 and BBC National DAB) between them though I am picking up all the stations I am supposed to...I can access alternative signals of two or three stations thanks to one of these companies from a neighbouring area Yorkshire plus an extra station meant specifically for Yorkshire so just maybe, a digital radio with an external aeriel if set up correctly might pull in a few other stations. I'd like to get BBC Radio York, BBC Newcastle and just maybe I may be able to pull in the local commercial stations from Tyneside and Yorkshire. So at some stage in the future I may invest in a more sophisticated radio that can be connected to an aerial.

So taking your location, transmitter power, frequencies becoming available and moving your radio around the home, using LBC as an example even some of you that officially should not be hearing it, may find the signal can be picked up from a neighbouring county.

Another thing is that some stations because they are trying to squeeze into the spectrum allocated to digital radio and because I suspect until sometime in the future power is not at the full capacity so some stations are broadcasting in a lower bit rate, some are in mono on the digital platform(usually those that are speech based)and though speech can manage on lower specifications and in mono, if you want to hear perhaps a drama being in mono is going mean that it will not sound as good.

And one station closes overnight but still carries on via satellite. So some capacity is being wasted during the hours it is not broadcasting and one station seems a waste of time as it is doing what the other commercial stations are doing already and that's a station called Capital Disney. By the name I cannot decide if that is a joint venture between the Disney Corp and Capital Radio in London. Or a station run by Disney.

But yes, there is adequate and increased choice of listening by having the digital set.

I understand that in the pipeline more frequencies are to be released especially for more national stations, possibly a different type of digital system which had this country waited might've been the one chosen as it also allows a signal from much further away so in a way could offer something like the old shortwave radio so you can hear stations from abroad but the quality would be fine.

Then, we have the likelihood of Europe investing in a satellite delivered radio system such as the two that exist in the States where you might pay £10 a month and be offered radio channels each offering a different genre and no commercials.

And of course we will see more radio delivered by the net from across the globe and again the quality will improve.

Some radio is likely to be included in the new version of Freeview which will be delivered via satellite as an alternative to Freeview delivered as now via a TV aerial and not always available across the UK. And if ITV/BBC ever get this project off the ground and broadcasting, it could be an alternative to Sky's platform and give viewers an alternative and give Sky some competition and unlike Sky, being called Freesat, from what I have heard(if correct)all channels carried on this system will be available free apart from the initial cost of the receiving equipment(box and dish)

So there is much happening and no doubt we'll all have to change systems a few times over the coming years.

So perhaps just as well I only paid about £40 for my digital radio. If I have to buy something different I won't feel too bad losing that amount of cash.

But yes, I am happy with my DAB Radio...

Now to find a phono cable that offers female connections on one end and male on the other, no one on this town sells any, just male to male, so I can lengthen the cable but adding bus or taxi fare to go to the neighbouring towns makes its an expensive item to buy. So I'll wait or hey, if it costs no more...I'll get it on the internet direct.

15 Comments:

Blogger Span Ows said...

"If it makes you happy, it can't be that bad..." but of course I don't think she was talking about digital radio...ahem.

Gildy, will this fgo the way of TV where the government have already put a deadline on the old analogue sets?

P.S. Surely they make more stylish boxes that the one in your picture...

26 August 2006 at 07:40  
Blogger The Great Gildersleeve said...

Span,
There are some very fine designs and they can become extremely expensive and the choice is much greater on the net and if I had the time I probably could find something really whizz bang.

But I thought as it was my first try of digital radio I would avoid spending a lot.

Of course as digital radio only needs buttons to find and set up stations the designs are basic and it comes down to the cosmetic look.
Some have a remote control.

I think its a fair bet the Government would like to close FM radio down and do the same as they are with analogue television(and sell the frequencies to some business for a lot of money)and as some AM stations are now on digital perhaps they would also include the AM spectrum too.

But so far they have never publicly admitted this is there plan nor have they given a date for switch off. Perhaps because of the backlash from the public and many houses have a radio in every room...that's a lot of radios to replace.

Digital radio's though improving, use batteries much quicker than analogue radios and use more electric power if on the mains.

Interesting at a time when they ask us to save power and think of the planet.

I only found out recently that France(so I assume other European countries)have their own versions of freeview tv and digital radio.

26 August 2006 at 10:40  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good for you, Gildy, now you can listen to BBC 7 or Oneword while you are lying in bed, instead of being driven mad by Radio 5 Live !

26 August 2006 at 13:14  
Blogger The Great Gildersleeve said...

It has to improve and we are waiting for transmitter power to be increased, more frequencies being released etc...

But I did a quick check on the internet roughly for my area, North Yorkshire(a neighbouring region)

And Suffolk to see if we all get the same stations.

Generally we do especially the national commercial and BBC stations but in many cases(as yet BBC Local radio and some local commercial stations are still not on digital)

And what is the difference?

I can pick up...39 stations.

North Yorkshire only has 27.

The Suffolk area only has 18.

Here the National BBC stations are classed as being likely to be heard whereas in the Suffolk area they are classed as most certainly and the stations said to be more likely to be heard here, its the opposite down there.

So its all very different...for now...

26 August 2006 at 19:49  
Blogger Span Ows said...

Actually i don't know if Spain has freeview or not....or digital radio...I shall investigate

26 August 2006 at 20:05  
Blogger Paul said...

Hi Gildy,

I'm sure you are aware of it but whilst following a link for e-books I came across a lot of 'old' radio stuff available via www.radiolovers.com.

26 August 2006 at 22:57  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Typical isn't it ? Suffolk can get the least stations !

27 August 2006 at 09:10  
Blogger The Great Gildersleeve said...

Thanks Paul,
Good to see you popping in...I think I know of the site but its been a while since I tried it out...and I should probably have another look.

Curmy, DAB radio does mean that I can hear FM stations that usually are "hissy" when in stereo(and usually only sound ok when switched into mono)

The only problem with not buying a radio with the option for adding an external aerial in my present location is that...either the other equipment such as the computer, the materials the house is built from and perhaps the transmitter locations/power they use does mean the best reception the radio is in my bedroom.

I have done signal tests and 95% of all stations offer zero or little signal error.

Stations with the smallest of signal strength still sound great.

The intended AM/FM stations for this area all appear to be available on DAB but if I throw out the old analogue radio, I lose Long Wave Radio 4 and some FM stations that are not as yet on DAB or and as bad as FM reception is on any portable here, this new radio is not as good as the battered old radio its replacing for getting FM stations as the old one which can still pick up BBC Radio York, BBC Radio Newcastle, Metro Radio which I have always had access to.

Darlington has its own station on FM(not as yet on DAB)will that be added one day?

And what of other new stations that have been given the go ahead across the North East, if they are not added to the DAB radio system they are working at a disadvantage if digital radio is taking off as we are being told that it is.

They should be, if as I suspect the Government at some point will try and switch of analogue radio in the UK as they are doing with television.

If I look at the signal strength coming in to the radio the local EMAP multiplex blasts in and gives the strongest signal. On a scale of fourteen being the best...its fourteen.

Though a local transmitter not all of the stations carried are.

BBC National Networks then give the next best signal(around Nine)

Digital One and MMX North East then comes in third(around Seven)

And MMX Yorkshire fourth(around Two)

No other services can be picked up from Yorkshire or Tyne and Wear on any other service relayed by Digital One, EMAP or the BBC. So I do wonder if an external aerial would make a difference and what it would pull in.

If nothing else the signal strength would increase on the weaker stations but digital works on an extremely low threshold for a decent signal which is in its favour.

The local BBC stations that I have checked so far across the nation always pop up on EMAP. Not as part of the BBC DAB set up.

In time when the television aerial is replaced or taken away due to analogue signals being turned off, I'll install an external one for DAB and try and find a way that it can be piped into any room using some kind of remote sender.

I hope to do the same so that my satellite system will play and channels can be changed from any room. Equally, I understand that audio and video can be played into other rooms from my computer and vice versa.

Who would've thought radio could be so complicated...You can get caught up in technical matters, the important thing is...if it can be heard, just enjoy it ;-)

And if you do not spend too much, when we have to change systems again, not too much money has been wasted.

27 August 2006 at 13:25  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Times are indeed a changing.
The latest Radio Academy newsletter informs that Dixons are to stop selling analogue radios.
Llucia

27 August 2006 at 20:36  
Blogger The Great Gildersleeve said...

Llucia,
Good to see you ;-)
I'm playing the DAB radio through the computer and where normally if I time shift a programme I take it off satellite via minidisc and then play it in my bedroom on another machine to the pc but this allows me to cut out the recorders and put it straight onto hard drive.

Saving time and wear and tear on the recorders.

I see time shifting radio as no different to doing tv via a video recorder.

But I can only pick up all stations in one part of the bedroom so I do need one of those cables so I can leave the radio away from the computer stuff perhaps that's what is killing the signal when I move the radio around.

But I couldn't hear any DAB station downstairs so it has to be another reason.

You would not believe how difficult it is to get one of those cables...I tried Dixons, Mapins and Amazon and so far not exactly what I am after.

The price of DAB has come down so greatly its ok Dixons selling DAB only but of course I suspect most of the DAB models offered still have FM so for now you only lose AM/LW just that a radio without DAB cannot be purchased.

Their list of models on their website seems pretty uninspiring, if when I get another(Augustus owns 4)and I think Curmy has 2...I'll go to a site offering a greater choice.

I've heard of the Radio Academy, I wish I could get my hands on some of the media magazines such as the official BBC one published for their staff. I used to buy one for many years but a lot of information now get out onto the net(if only you know where to look)

I wonder what stories Steve Allen will have tomorrow about his live stage show...

He's on later(I think 7am-10am)so may not have as much time to talk about it and on Tuesday I believe that he launches LBC when it starts officially on DAB. But for now I am unsure if the special show airs on DAB whilst his normal programme goes out on LBC in London or its the same everywhere.

Thanks for telling me of my mention ;-)

28 August 2006 at 00:06  
Blogger The Great Gildersleeve said...

What am I thinking of...it launches 1st September, that's Friday...

28 August 2006 at 00:40  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello Gildy ~
Many thanks for the ariel info. Grt pity I can't do anything to boost signals outside of the flat. But yr steer of moving around was so useful. Astonished that in some corners, the signal drops off completely.

Doesn't Nick Abbot get better and better. He was good at Virgin. And what an entertaining ride when he had Carol riding shotgun. One of LBC's inspired moves was to give him that late night slot.

Adore His Naughtieness, Steve Allen. That's the question, how will he go down in some places? Do hope it's appreciated that it's all tongue in cheek. Heard this morning that the jacket was a big mistake. He's saying that he looked like a glitterball.

Was with the station from its early days, (Tommy Boyd, etc) and lost it for a while whilst in Devon, but ain't the net wonderful! Now, like you, hope I can receive it (here in Oxford) more portably through DAB.

I get the free sub Radio Academy newsletter; fairly restricted, but useful. Yes, spent yesterday afternoon, (ME sometimes restricts mobility) having a glorious time hooking onto some of yr links. Was like Steve in a muffin shop. And found another old time radio lists link there; also some Gildersleeve podcasts.
Llucia
ps. thought I'd typed in "other" before - excuse if anon comes up

28 August 2006 at 12:24  
Blogger The Great Gildersleeve said...

Welcome along...the disadvantage of a blog is that the posts move down as new entries are added so do you leave an entry up for some time and allow others to find it and comment but then returning people look and there's nothing new.

The good thing is that you can talk to those that visit and some do become regulars.

The fact that some people return means that usually you have something in common or there is something that you like about the person so you get on with them.

A blog like this is free so its not like putting up a website. And I and a few of us refuse to fall out with each other even should our views be different, we respect each other.

You make some excellent points, something to come back to regarding Carol and she's suddenly doing quite well again radiowise(You probably know that she's filling in for Anna this week)

BTW whilst LBC FM is in stereo in London and on Satellite, just as with the podcast service, on DAB its in mono and only broadcast at a bitrate of 48kbps.

28 August 2006 at 14:29  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Gildy and all. Welcome to the world of digital radio :) hope you have as much fun as I so far have had. I bought my first radio over three years ago, you'll probably remember the model it's the wooden finish Evoke 1. That lasted me a good year and then you inevitably think about getting a device which is more portable so I bought a Bush personal radio, which I still currently use.

The main stations I listen to are FiveLive, BBC Asian Network, Local BBC, TalkSport and an independent local Asian radio station. As a result of listening to the Asian stations I have managed to win two digital radios, through competitions. Of course you enter these sort of competitions never expecting to win but when the good fortune comes your way, you'd be mad to refuse the reward ;)

The radio I received from the Asian Network is the most stylish and feature-laden, it has record (onto memory card), pause, rewind functionality. Best of all, (or worst of all if you're an arachnophobiac) it is shaped like a Bug.

Interesting point you make about the jingles being some what quieter on your digital radio, I've noticed little things like that over time, while this type of radio provides perfectly clear audio, sometimes you do miss the hiss sound (I remember reading an article ages ago where an audio expert was mentioning the fact that sometimes audio can sound too clinical and thus ruinining the listening experience). Excellent blog, keep up the good work.

29 August 2006 at 19:34  
Blogger The Great Gildersleeve said...

Hello JA,
Loved your comments and reading what you said about DAB radio and once again, good to see you popping over.

Its interesting what you have told of DAB radio...its often the best way to find out by talking with others as obviously the information given by the industry is liable to be very positive and play down the negatives, there is more about DAB in the entry titled "Is It An Age Thing?"

30 August 2006 at 00:18  

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